tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17766817.post8499484830535092961..comments2023-11-05T22:35:31.766+00:00Comments on Neil Clark: Vichy Britain: Conservative politicians pledge their allegiance to The Empire (and to buy US arms)Neil Clarkhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10479041156190090119noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17766817.post-91586996473739265012010-12-06T17:28:36.728+00:002010-12-06T17:28:36.728+00:00In a moderate defense of the United States, don...In a moderate defense of the United States, don't forget the warmongering goes two ways. Tony Blair was the proximate and primary force that motivated Clinton to bomb Bosnian Serbs in 1995 and Serbia in 1999. Without Blair's insistence, Clinton would never have had the stomach for the attacks.vladimir gagicnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17766817.post-46360233437969651742010-12-05T19:38:05.966+00:002010-12-05T19:38:05.966+00:00Indeed the slave mentality of Britain's leader...Indeed the slave mentality of Britain's leaders is a scandal, but I object to the use of the phrase "Vichy Britain", which is rooted in Neil's usual moral relativism and inability to distinguish between democracy (*however flawed*) and dictatorship.<br /><br />The US, for all its faults, has never deported and killed British people who do not fit its own criteria of racial purity (the Gary McKinnon case is a scandal, of course, but it is an entirely different thing). To invoke Vichy in any other context is inappropriate, and weakens your own case, which in itself is strong.Robin Carmodyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05825645880870474801noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17766817.post-5270125742609679622010-12-05T11:06:51.062+00:002010-12-05T11:06:51.062+00:00This comment has been removed by the author.Gregorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14729641571904025752noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17766817.post-48208486131895108752010-12-05T03:48:05.058+00:002010-12-05T03:48:05.058+00:00And to think, not that long ago Great Britain had ...And to think, not that long ago Great Britain had a leader in Harold Wilson who stood up to American pressure to get involved in the Vietnam debacle. When I think of some of the leaders of the past like Harold Wilson and Charles de Gaulle, it really makes me depressed. We are living in an era of midgets.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17766817.post-53720719751332292222010-12-04T17:41:29.583+00:002010-12-04T17:41:29.583+00:00Also, this reveals something that has been obvious...Also, this reveals something that has been obvious for a long time to anyone who knows how these things work - that the Tory "rank and file" are often very much ill at ease with their leaders' uncritical support of the US (just as, 20 years ago, they were probably less supportive of broadcasting deregulation than any other Thatcherite policy).<br /><br />This is one of the many ways in which FPTP holds us back - if we had PR, we'd have had a breakaway party years ago which better represented Tory grassroots opinion on some of these matters, which might have seriously challenged the Tories in the outer shires (and the effects of such a split might have wiped the Tories out for good a decade ago, because at that time they were only still doing well in the outer shires; Labour were dominating the M25 corridor where all-round Atlanticism is probably much more popular).Robin Carmodyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05825645880870474801noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17766817.post-91744940271976093952010-12-04T17:31:14.481+00:002010-12-04T17:31:14.481+00:00The "special relationship" does not exis...The "special relationship" does not exist. It is an act of national self-delusion.<br /><br />Those who invoke pop culture to pretend it does exist have got everything arse about tit, and unfortunately this is one of many areas where Labour is weak against Cameron because everything the Cameronites have done on this front, the Blairites did first ...Robin Carmodyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05825645880870474801noreply@blogger.com