tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17766817.post5425904976762247718..comments2023-11-05T22:35:31.766+00:00Comments on Neil Clark: Another neo-con lie exposedNeil Clarkhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10479041156190090119noreply@blogger.comBlogger17125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17766817.post-4067203725410256722007-12-06T23:31:00.000+00:002007-12-06T23:31:00.000+00:00"why the US intellegence services were so unrealia..."why the US intellegence services were so unrealiable in the run up to the Iraq war (in 2003) but can now be relied upon absolutely."<BR/><BR/>It was the neocon cherrypickers who played up the supposed threat posed by Iraq.Charlie Markshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12770820928636046622noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17766817.post-76885526289996167932007-12-05T20:44:00.000+00:002007-12-05T20:44:00.000+00:00So, everyone bar that quimbecile Sarkozy say that ...So, everyone bar that quimbecile Sarkozy say that the Russian election was a fix, but you think it marks a triumph of democracy Neil? <BR/><BR/>0/10<BR/><BR/>Spot on about the stonking Venezuelan election, though I do have to ask why the US intellegence services were so unrealiable in the run up to the Iraq war (in 2003) but can now be relied upon absolutely.<BR/><BR/>ta<BR/><BR/>PeteAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17766817.post-62357746650498028442007-12-05T02:37:00.000+00:002007-12-05T02:37:00.000+00:00Anonymous, the reason why Neil, unlike Kamm, allow...Anonymous, the reason why Neil, unlike Kamm, allows comments by people who disagree with him is because he is, again unlike Kamm, an honourable man capable of rational discourse.<BR/><BR/>Now that the lies about Iran's intentions have been blown out of the water, what else is there but for Bush and Brown to cough up to their own intentions - to loot Iran of its wealth and resources.<BR/><BR/>And Luke, this is an evil thing. The neo-cons "regime change" would involve theft on a grand scale, precludes by the deaths of tens of thousands of innocent civilians and hundreds, perhaps thousands, of our service men and women, and it would cost us billions - <BR/>in all probability, it would destablise our economy, excacerbating the effects of the credit crisis.Charlie Markshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12770820928636046622noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17766817.post-71401345707047576242007-12-04T22:03:00.000+00:002007-12-04T22:03:00.000+00:00What I'm smoking is affecting my brain-cells, eh? ...What I'm smoking is affecting my brain-cells, eh? Yet another attack on the person rather than the arguments. If Kamm's piece is so full of lies, then why not dissect it, and refute each of his points? I disagree with the man, but at least he presents his case fairly and openly. Your artciles are the ones that appear ranting. Full of 'neocon' this 'claptrap' that and accusations of articles being 'propoganda'. <BR/><BR/>If it were propoganda, what difference does it make? Why not dissect it any other way? Why is HIS article 'propogada' and why is yours fair and balanced? What lies, eactly, does he tell?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17766817.post-85588900730459093172007-12-04T21:32:00.000+00:002007-12-04T21:32:00.000+00:00Luke,I read Kamms article today and it struck me a...Luke,<BR/>I read Kamms article today and it struck me as the illiterate rantings of an obsessive madman. There were no facts, no argued reason and it was just an offensive rant. As I read it I could feel the adrenaline pumping through him as he came out with one hyper rant after another.<BR/>I agree with spiderman7 that maybe he has been set up to look ridiculous, which he is.<BR/>The fact is, we were on the road to war and chaos again when the US spooks decided that they couldn't have another war laid at the door of their disinformation. They found a way to come clean. Good for them!alejandrohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04397839812077144599noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17766817.post-53337778628539717412007-12-04T21:08:00.000+00:002007-12-04T21:08:00.000+00:00OOOH! is that another Kammite threat coming in the...OOOH! is that another Kammite threat coming in there Szinbad? Roughly translated for those who don't know the charming modus operandi: a nice little anonymous/pseudonymous email will be winging its way to Alan Rusbridger linking to my post, to try to get me in to trouble.<BR/><BR/>Don't bother. The Guardian knows full well my disgust at what went on today, so you can't frighten me with your veiled threats. Send this post to Alan Rusbridger by all means. The piece WAS propaganda of the vilest sort. And I'd say the same regardless of what paper it appeared in.<BR/>I am a reader of the Guardian as well as a contributor and I think today the paper hit rock bottom.Neil Clarkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10479041156190090119noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17766817.post-44481233372597726382007-12-04T20:58:00.000+00:002007-12-04T20:58:00.000+00:00I think you'll find the position it takes is somew...<I>I think you'll find the position it takes is somewhat closer to the truth than the propaganda you read in the Guardian today.</I><BR/><BR/>Does Rusbridger know that you're dissing his organ like this?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17766817.post-31679928972261832242007-12-04T20:36:00.000+00:002007-12-04T20:36:00.000+00:00Neil: why do you publish articles by such obvious ...Neil: why do you publish articles by such obvious trolls as Luke? Kamm doesn't allow any comments on his blog so why do you allow his supporters to post here?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17766817.post-44213040102277895382007-12-04T20:09:00.000+00:002007-12-04T20:09:00.000+00:00luke: whatever you're smoking, it's affecting your...luke: whatever you're smoking, it's affecting your brain cells. Kamm's piece was a tissue of lies, unsubstantiated allegations and blatant propaganda: that's all he can do, because neoconnery is built on lies and deception.<BR/>Here's my Australian piece on Iran, written in Jan 2006. <BR/>http://www.iiss.org/whats-new/iiss-in-the-press/press-coverage-2006/january-2006/deterrence-best-policy-for-nuclear-states<BR/><BR/>I think you'll find the position it takes is somewhat closer to the truth than the propaganda you read in the Guardian today.Neil Clarkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10479041156190090119noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17766817.post-228992508287222352007-12-04T19:02:00.000+00:002007-12-04T19:02:00.000+00:00Why is Kamm's article 'propoganda', whereas yours ...Why is Kamm's article 'propoganda', whereas yours is, presumably, fair comment?<BR/><BR/>Also, Kamm's article can be immeadiately distinguished from your's by the presence of facts, logic and detailed argument. I honestly don't know what else to take from your article except that you don't like neo-cons.<BR/><BR/>Ad hominem and tu quoque appear to be your only argumentative weapons and it does a serious disservice to your side of the debate.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17766817.post-56367521533422674242007-12-04T13:29:00.000+00:002007-12-04T13:29:00.000+00:00Neil: I think you're wrong, and the Guardian has s...Neil: I think you're wrong, and the Guardian has set Kamm up. He looks even more ridiciluous than usual coming out with this bilge on the day when the US Security forces report said Iran does not have a nuclear weapons programme. Don't get into a huff about the Guardian running his piece, what little credibility he had this time yesterday has now been cut to pieces. You should be delighted!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17766817.post-33827980123162879292007-12-04T13:10:00.001+00:002007-12-04T13:10:00.001+00:00skeptic; no one was talking about Iran having nucl...skeptic; no one was talking about Iran having nuclear weapons programme prior ro 2003, the propaganda started to come with the election of Ahm. in 2006.<BR/><BR/>publican: I most certainly am not advocating the harassment of Kamm. I'm merely expressing my disgust that the Guardian should run an article by him, given the way he has smeared, defamed and harassed a regular and long-standing contributor to the paper for the past two years. If readers share my disgust, then they know how they can make their opinions felt. And, of course, in their own names, and not under pseudonyms like 'George Courtenay'.Neil Clarkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10479041156190090119noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17766817.post-78989752078335336712007-12-04T13:10:00.000+00:002007-12-04T13:10:00.000+00:00skeptic; no one was talking about Iran having nucl...skeptic; no one was talking about Iran having nuclear weapons programme prior ro 2003, the propaganda started to come with the election of Ahm. in 2006.<BR/><BR/>publican: I most certainly am not advocating the harassment of Kamm. I'm merely expressing my disgust that the Guardian should run an article by him, given the way he has smeared, defamed and harassed a regular and long-standing contributor to the paper for the past two years. If readers share my disgust, then they know how they can make their opinions felt. And, of course, in their own names, and not under pseudonyms like 'George Courtenay'.Neil Clarkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10479041156190090119noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17766817.post-9548866980210729892007-12-04T12:23:00.000+00:002007-12-04T12:23:00.000+00:00Dear Neil,You wouldn't, by any chance, be advocati...Dear Neil,<BR/><BR/>You wouldn't, by any chance, be advocating a campaign of harrassment against Mr Kamm there, would you? Why do you damn such (alleged) behaviour when he (allegedly) harrasses you, but have no problem seeing him suffer as you claim you have? Any moral high ground you might possibly have held has now completely evaporated.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17766817.post-80618080713162158352007-12-04T11:57:00.000+00:002007-12-04T11:57:00.000+00:00That's why they started spreading the lies about I...<I>That's why they started spreading the lies about Iran having a nuclear weapons programme</I><BR/><BR/>Yes, but they're not lies, are they? Iran did have a nuclear weapons programme, despite constant denials that they ever had any such intention. You've just admitted it yourself. <BR/><BR/>And since this is the case, why are you so quick to denounce everything the US says as lies, while simultaneously defending everything Iran-sourced as the gospel truth?<BR/><BR/>Not even you can believe Ahmadinejad's claim that Iran has no homosexuals, so why are you not treating every other announcement with similar skepticism given that he's so clearly prepared to tell such brazen lies in public?<BR/><BR/><I>The neocons want regime change in Iran, and the replacement of Ahmanijedad with a leader who will open up the Iranian economy to western capital</I><BR/><BR/>I love the way you make this sound as though it's the most evil thing imaginable.<BR/><BR/><I>Any leader who does not toe the line and who refuses to pay Danegeld to the Empire faces the neocon lie machine. Haven't you worked that one out yet?</I><BR/><BR/>And now who's going on the propaganda offensive?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17766817.post-7863574838765872752007-12-03T21:26:00.000+00:002007-12-03T21:26:00.000+00:00Er, I think you've missed the point skeptic. The n...Er, I think you've missed the point skeptic. The neo-con propaganda offensive about Iran developing nuclear weapons started when President Ahmanijedad was elected two years ago. The neocons want regime change in Iran, and the replacement of Ahmanijedad with a leader who will open up the Iranian economy to western capital and who will do as they're told. That's why they started spreading the lies about Iran having a nuclear weapons programme; as a pretext for military intervention and regime change. <BR/>Of course the propaganda was claptrap, as I said in September. <BR/>What Iran may or may not have been up to prior to 2003 is totally irrelevant: think back to 2003, and the neocons were trying to brainwash us about Iraq, not Iran.<BR/>Any leader who does not toe the line and who refuses to pay Danegeld to the Empire faces the neocon lie machine. Haven't you worked that one out yet?Neil Clarkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10479041156190090119noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17766817.post-90503307220894870432007-12-03T21:13:00.000+00:002007-12-03T21:13:00.000+00:00Posted by your good self on 13 September:Forget th...Posted by your good self on <A HREF="http://neilclark66.blogspot.com/2007/09/why-iran-is-next-in-line.html" REL="nofollow">13 September</A>:<BR/><BR/><I>Forget the claptrap about Iran attempting to develop nuclear weapons- which is a neo-con fiction as false as the non-existent 'genocide' in Kosovo and the mythical WMD in Iraq:</I><BR/><BR/>But just over two months later you now seem to be admitting that Iran DID have a nuclear weapons programme, albeit one (allegedly) halted in 2003. <BR/><BR/>So where's the claptrap? And, more to the point, why was this programme halted in 2003, given that they'd presumably spent a fair bit of money on it for little return? Was it out of the kindness of their hearts?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com